jacobgold an hour ago

At this point, no one seems capable of keeping a large database safe. I assume all medical and biographical information that exists is in the hands of the major state actors.

China hacked 22.1 million records of US government employees:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Office_of_Personnel_Manag...

  • coldpie 25 minutes ago

    It is unthinkable to me that anyone believes there is such a thing as computer security after so many years of nonstop hacks and leaks. If you have a computer and it is connected to a network with access to the Internet, assume that computer is semi-public. Meaning, if someone was interested enough in accessing your computer, they could do it. Do not hook any computer with access to anything that would be devastating if it was made public to the Internet. Do not put anything that would be devastating if it was made public onto someone else's Internet-connected computers.

    For example, do not hook your goddamn water or traffic or electricity infrastructure up to the goddamn Internet, and then, do fire the guy who suggested it.

    The correct analogy for computer security is not locks and keys and doors and gates. It is a house in a floodplain. Your house will not survive the flood of it hits you. Do not store anything critical or irreplaceable in that house.

    • shepherdjerred 8 minutes ago

      It used to be that nothing was secure but that was OK because at least adversaries would have to expend effort. If you are one of a million companies why would anyone hack you. Maybe if you are a target you need a lot of investment, but most orgs only prevent the most egregious of vulnerabilities.

      The calculus has certainly changed. Hacking is becoming even more frequent and… I’m not really sure what the equilibrium looks like.

      It’s not really an option to stop using computers or networks. But it’s going to be way too expensive (or maybe even impossible) to secure even just critical systems.

      Maybe banks and governments can secure themselves (and that’s a big IF) but it really feels like something fundamentally has to change.

      • throwup238 4 minutes ago

        > It’s not really an option to stop using computers or networks. But it’s going to be way too expensive (or maybe even impossible) to secure even just critical systems.

        Admiral Adama says otherwise.

    • sippingabonedry 14 minutes ago

      A generation of coders who can't/are scared to write "Hello world" in C without Claude doing it for them has not helped.

      • passwordoops 11 minutes ago

        I think you're exaggerating a bit.

        Does this answer your question?

        /s

        • sippingabonedry 5 minutes ago

          I've seen it.

          People flaunting their credentials in multiple languages, then sweating bullets and apologizing profusely when they see

            int t = 4;
          
          You can either code or you can't; the language is merely a vehicle.
  • titzer 31 minutes ago

    And the city wonders why I don't want to put my credit card info in their crappy parking app and would instead prefer to put a quarter into the meter for 30 mins.

    • lotsofpulp 27 minutes ago

      What info can be gleaned from that? Surely the mere fact that you have a credit card means your name and billing address are floating around.

      I guess your parking history around town could be valuable if someone is targeting you.

      • ceejayoz 25 minutes ago

        > What info can be gleaned from that?

        The card number?

        • chrsstrm 20 minutes ago

          In 2026, having my credit card number compromised is the least of my worries. At least here there is an established process for denying charges and ordering a new card. As long as you're not using a debit card, this is not a big deal.

          • dylan604 18 minutes ago

            My bank will reverse debit card charges. Based on that, I assumed that was a standard thing now.

            • bluGill 6 minutes ago

              The problem is debit cards leave a window where you don't have access to your own money until it gets reversed.

        • Barbing 20 minutes ago

          In USA, folks who check their statements monthly are at little risk of immediate financial pain there.

          When your lifetime of credit card transactions leaks, that could be financially painful, embarrassing, etc. (can be discriminated against, including with pricing)

          I do dislike creating a log of where I park on some random company’s server. Nice that ALPRs/govt.-funded corp spycams/Ring/etc. make sure the quarter method is minimally marginally effective at protecting privacy.

          • ceejayoz 17 minutes ago

            > In USA, folks who check their statements monthly are at little risk of immediate financial pain there.

            I had to fight a bank for months over a clearly fraudulent charge. Sometimes it's easy; other times it isn't.

        • dylan604 19 minutes ago

          who stores card numbers other than the processors? that should be a hangable offense. I've integrated card processing on multiple sites, and not once does the form come from me. I add the processor's JS, and it collects the data to move along. They then return to me a bit of information that includes success/fail so that I can decide what to do from there.

          • ceejayoz 18 minutes ago

            > I add the processor's JS, and it collects the data to move along.

            Consumers aren't gonna notice the difference if the site gets hacked and that JS is swapped out for a malicious set.

  • primitivesuave 6 minutes ago

    The recent Epic vs Health Gorilla lawsuit is an example of how your medical records have almost certainly made it to the hands of many people you will never know about.

  • Taek 40 minutes ago

    Google seems capable

  • ChosenEnd 28 minutes ago

    Mythos can hack 200 million government employees

  • tdhz77 37 minutes ago

    Mythos can do much worse

  • simur 28 minutes ago

    Yeah, about the medical information. Recently in Poland there was a hack on the medical system called MyDr that is used by commercial medical facilities. Estimated 21M people could've been affected. So it is already happening and the scariest thing is, we don't have control on where our data is stored on. Even the EU GDPR didn't make it easy to control what data lands where.

  • kakacik 19 minutes ago

    banks still largely do... if they lose this fight, society has a problem

reactordev an hour ago

There’s a scene in Battlestar Galactica (2004) where someone asks Captain Adama why the Galactica doesn’t have networked computers. So the cylons can’t hack the ship…

  • ishouldstayaway 32 minutes ago

    It's not just a scene; it's the whole premise of the setting. It's why the Galactica survived and the newer ships did not. It's why the new Vipers got wiped out and they had to pull the old ones out of mothballs.

    In the pilot, the Galactica was literally being turned into a museum, and that's why they lived.

  • jshier 24 minutes ago

    Which was always pretty stupid. At best it means the Cylons can't hack the whole ship, just whichever part they exploited to gain access remotely in the first place. But really the Cylons would've needed exploits for each individual system anyway, since simply connecting them with wires shouldn't just do that. And unless those other systems are completely air gapped with no wireless or other access, it would be trivial for them to still gain remote access, or have one of their infiltrators provide a local connection of some kind. AFAIR that was never a plot point, which was odd.

    • joshheitzman 13 minutes ago

      > And unless those other systems are completely air gapped with no wireless or other access

      That is exactly the canon.

    • reverius42 12 minutes ago

      > whichever part they exploited to gain access remotely

      I think you missed the point of "no networking", you have to actually physically sit in front of the computer. There is no remote access.

  • dylan604 16 minutes ago

    There's also a scene where they do network the computers and are hacked nearly instantly.

  • gchamonlive 39 minutes ago

    I think it's one of the first two special episodes right at the beginning of the series, and it's the sole reason why the fleet could sustain evading the cylons

1970-01-01 9 minutes ago

If this was 1992, we'd be retelling and celebrating the hack for decades.

1992 was 33 years ago; this is almost an unremarkable event. It will be superseded by whatever happens in AI news by the end of the month.

corvad an hour ago

Looks like it was an Oracle PeopleSoft 0-day so I imagine there are a lot more systems vulnerable.

  • ctkhn 44 minutes ago

    I wonder if that was really a 0-day or an intentional backdoor?

    • paimapi 31 minutes ago

      it's Oracle, 99% chance it's a 0-day lol

tencentshill 3 hours ago

Well that's a big one.

Perhaps firing expertise and hiring incompetents wasn't a good idea.

  • baggachipz an hour ago

    I always assumed DOGE + Ka$h would create an impenetrable fortress of strength; a beacon on the hill of brilliance and security.

    • classified 38 minutes ago

      If you use Trump Coins to reflect the Evil Eye away from you, nothing bad can happen to you.

      • debo_ 25 minutes ago

        It can only good happen.

  • sippingabonedry 11 minutes ago

    > Perhaps firing expertise

    The expertise that told them to buy PeopleSoft years ago, or do you actually believe the FBI home-rolled its own HRMS in the last year?

    Are they related to the expertise that was supposed to lead to the immediate, irreparable offlining of Twitter after they were all fired?

  • rayiner an hour ago

    Doesn’t seem new. Do you remember the 2015 OPM hack? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Office_of_Personnel_Manag.... My data got leaked in that.

    • consumer451 41 minutes ago

      Was that the one where due to political grand-standing, we had a government shutdown that led to furloughing the contractors who worked on security, so no one was watching the dashboard? Or was that a different one?

    • freejazz an hour ago

      Probably just one of the new recruits clicking on a link while viewing beastiality

  • nateb2022 2 hours ago

    There's incompetence in every major company including Oracle. PeopleSoft isn't known for being the most modern or secure thing out there. Less reliance on 3rd party software like this will be a good thing going forward.

    • lenerdenator an hour ago

      That's assuming that the result of this will be to switch away from PeopleSoft.

      • Zigurd an hour ago

        Not even the FBI has hostage negotiators good enough to get you out of an Oracle contract.

        • quickthrowman 41 minutes ago

          I imagine Oracle lawyers to be identical to the Cylons pointing guns at President Gaius Baltar and forcing him to sign death warrants on New Caprica.

          https://youtu.be/2_nUztwPiEY

      • nateb2022 an hour ago

        I think enterprise software in this vein used to have a quasi-monopoly due to the sheer work required to build software of its size (not enough engineers exist in the government to do so), and the difficulty for competitors to enter regulated markets and so pretty much 1-2 options to choose from.

        AI now makes it possible to build this kind of software in-house, offering a 2nd choice, though it'll only be as good as the standards of the teams using it. Only time can tell.

        • sarchertech an hour ago

          Enterprise software is complicated mostly because of number of customers it can support.

          Bespoke software can be orders of magnitude less complex. There are many reasons companies choose to use vendor solutions, but for large organizations it’s usually not “we literally can’t hire enough engineers to build it.”

          There are so many counter examples.

          • nateb2022 10 minutes ago

            > Bespoke software can be orders of magnitude less complex.

            Not in government. For payroll/HR, we're talking about hundreds of pages of legislative mandates, union bargaining rules, Title 5 statutory compliance, and FISMA/NIST regs. Just customizing something like PeopleSoft to fit is a large task in itself, let alone trying to implement bespoke software using an engineering pool that isn't even large enough to modernize the software it currently owns.

            Bespoke sounds nice and works well in startups but that's not the context we're discussing. Check out Phoenix Pay: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_pay_system and understand the US is even more complex.

          • 0cf8612b2e1e an hour ago

            Considering how bad most enterprise software is, I assumed the only real relevance was if the sales team ponied up some lavish perks to the right VP who only has to sign checks and never actually interact with the software.

  • mc32 2 hours ago

    Do you think this is a consequence of the seemingly quarterly RIFs at Oracle? Is it that offshoring wasn’t such a good idea?

    • lenerdenator an hour ago

      The irony, of course, is that this will likely have a negative impact upon Oracle's reputation, which will have a negative impact upon its value, which will then be resolved with more RIFs.

      It's okay. Larry got another island.

      • jandrese 4 minutes ago

        At this point if Oracle's reputation has any more negative impact it is liable to roll over and suddenly have an amazing reputation.

      • dylan604 13 minutes ago

        > have a negative impact upon Oracle's reputation

        Do they have any positive reputation left, or is it just more negative from the previous negative position?

      • jmclnx 41 minutes ago

        I doubt it, look at all other breaches over the years.

        If anything Oracle will "contribute" a lot to congress people's midterm reelection and in a few months all will be forgotten and Oracle will get more Gov. contracts.

  • Betelbuddy an hour ago

    Lets hope the Epstein files see the light of day, thanks to AI...

TutleCpt 15 minutes ago

404 Media is doing a much better job at breaking major stories than mainstream media. Nice.

  • johnnyApplePRNG 12 minutes ago

    I mean ... that's kind of literally their name ... (not found media)

smalltorch 4 hours ago

Thats a major attack on the US.

If your systems are compromised and need to coordinate, what do you even do if you can't trust anything, assuming the attacker is still inside the network?

  • Joel_Mckay an hour ago

    In general, most governments have standard operational policies that mitigate such issues (ISO 15408.) =3

    • dvh an hour ago

      ISO and ICC start with the same letter, just saying...

      • Joel_Mckay an hour ago

        The International Cricket Council does have very strict rules. lol =3

  • lenerdenator an hour ago

    Is it, though?

    If the goal is to exfiltrate data, I guess it is. If the goal is to make the people working in the FBI feel vulnerable - and pushing out this sample data would suggest that it is - I don't think it is. You could probably do the same with data from social media sites and data brokers.

    • smalltorch an hour ago

      Uh yeah, it dangerous. Public data brokerage doesn't identify FBI agents in a master roster?

      Consider open investigations with covert agents. Leaking their identitys could compromise entire investigations.

      Hopefully there was some foresight in washing undercover agents from these systems to other secure ones or something otherwise that's pretty bad.

      • dylan604 11 minutes ago

        > Public data brokerage doesn't identify FBI agents in a master roster?

        Are you saying that Ethan Hunt was involved?

whynotmaybe 38 minutes ago

> data totalled between two and three terabytes.

That's lot of data for a list of employees.

  • AraneaDev 28 minutes ago

    I was gonna say. What else did they get, whole dossiers with photos etc?

steveBK123 an hour ago

Claiming they got all employee & spouse data.

Wondering about pets..

corvad an hour ago

Hmm ShinyHunters seems to be in the news quite a bit recently. Most high profile was the Canvas LMS hack last spring right during college finals. Wonder if there will be a ransom for this data as well.

  • augment_me 11 minutes ago

    They got paid for the Canvas hack allegedly about 10M$ by Infrastructure, so it makes sense to continue. This one probably has a larger price tag

  • john_strinlai an hour ago

    they have been on an absolute roll for quite awhile now.

S-E-P 29 minutes ago

Hasn't that db been pwned previously?

  • alexjplant 19 minutes ago

    Trinity cracked the IRS dBase, not the FBI one.

KronisLV an hour ago

That feels like publicly announcing that you want to be in a lot of trouble.

Apocryphon 36 minutes ago

Remember how the original Mission Impossible movie (1996) was about the bad guys getting the NOC list? This feels somehow even worse than that.

kelseyfrog 3 hours ago

So they're getting access to a year's worth of free credit reporting for the inconvenience?

levocardia an hour ago

So, what are the odds this was done with an open-weight LLM?

  • DaSHacka 20 minutes ago

    Uh 0%?

    There are many people that run open weight LLMs. And unsurprisingly, they don't all have a copy of the FBI employee database.

    If you mean "using" an open weight LLM in combination with other tools or even potentially frontier models, then that's a lot more likely.

dgellow 4 hours ago

Im sorry given how bad of a situation that is, but it would be so ironic if they used Claude or codex for this

  • ben_w an hour ago

    If the claim is true, I'd expect them to have used either those models or Grok or similar.

    Of course if I was the FBI, I would make it so hackers trying to breach the system get a honeypot where all the data is fake, and with LLMs (even poor ones) it would be very easy to fake an entire alternative reality.

TZubiri 2 hours ago

Is their name a reference to pokemon? Or to the meme that the FBI/CIA glows through the screen?

  • bitwize an hour ago

    You're thinking of "glowie", "shiny" is def a Pokémon thing.

    • mech422 an hour ago

      also an mmo thing - hunting for collectibles in game

    • yepyoukno 43 minutes ago

      “Glowie” is a white supremacist slur for “Jew” or “fed” (they think the Feds are “a bunch of Jews”.)

      They say glowie because they see Jews are n*s who are white. They “glow” (they’re not dark.)

      It’s crazy hearing main stream mention this slur slang without awareness of its root or meaning.

      • DaSHacka 14 minutes ago

        It would've taken you a 30-second google search to check yourself before posting this, where you would've seen this is wildly incorrect.

        https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Glowie

        The term itself has nothing to do with jews, but its a fun self-report you think jews are disproportionately federal agents, the group constantly mired in human rights controversies towards minorities and abnormal connections to pedophiliac islands as of late.

        Horseshoe theory, I suppose :)

      • phainopepla2 30 minutes ago

        I think you have the etymology wrong, although there was (schizophrenic) racism involved in the coining of the term. The "glow" part doesn't come from the fact that they're white (or not dark), it comes from Terry Davis saying that "CIA n*'s glow in the dark" (i.e. are obviously spotted and can't hide their identities).

  • clint an hour ago

    They've been on an streak for over 6 years now, check out their wikipedia page.

Ancapistani 43 minutes ago

Meh - I'll believe it when I see the actual data.

Qilin allegedly hacked BATFE about a month ago, and the files were never posted to their site.

iAMkenough 2 hours ago

In the same week the head of the FBI went on national TV to claim credit for increasing the bureau's use of AI by 605%, whatever that's supposed to mean.

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell...

  • giancarlostoro an hour ago

    It means when the FBI builds a case against you make sure your lawyer hires a competent forensic expert. I've seen and heard "expert" testimonies in some court cases that make me angry. There's people using tools that digitally "enhance" small images, and that gets presented as evidence in court. It bewilders me how adding pixels to an image is evidence.

jgalt212 an hour ago

If I use Claude or OpenAI swarm to commit crimes, and the vendor knows I'm up to no good, what's their liability? Do they plan to invoke the phone company defense?

bearjaws 43 minutes ago

America is at war and losing comically.

Every day 2 major organizations get hacked, whether by groups or state actors, and America continues to sit on its hands.

The government should be creating a new digital defense department to better defend our country, and fund the defense of our nation, but instead it is busy renaming lakes and renaming "AI".

Almost like its run by a bunch of 80 year olds...

Jamesbeam 19 minutes ago

I will tell you where this gets really embarrassing for the FBI.

Oracle enterprise applications are a gold mine for attackers precisely because nobody treats them as security-critical systems.

In 2025 the Clop ransomware gang discovered that Oracle E-Business Suite has a critical vulnerability (CVE-2025-61882) that allows unauthenticated remote code execution.

Graceful Spider (tracked as Clop affiliates) started exploiting this in early August, well before Oracle issued a patch in October. That’s a two-month window where attackers had free rein.

All you need to know about Clop is that they got fucked by SH as well just a few days ago.

ShinyHunters defaced Clop's Tor leak site and added its own branding and messages. SH claims it stole source code, system logs, plugins, and Tor onion service keys. SH says it plans to give Clop 72 hours to respond to an extortion message.

Say what you want but these kids got balls. Won’t help them once SOCOM starts dealing with them, but they had a good run so far. I think hacking the FBI is as close as you can fly to the sun before the hammer drops.

In February this year they breached Wynn Resorts and lifted data on 800,000-plus employees. Can you guess the entry point?

If you guessed Oracle PeopleSoft, you were right.

Now you’d think the FBI IT people would have noticed that oracle software is a potential national security risk, if multiple ransomware groups keep focusing specifically on the shit Larry Elison personally have to seem vibe coded, over and over.

But Ka$h replaced most of the competent people at the FBI with Ka$h people and by pure luck Oracle won a $396m HR government contract this summer. Who wouldn’t want to supply the most secure software product to manage some of the most sensitive data within the agency, if not the Oracle Moscow branch.

https://mesoclever.com/2026/06/11/oracle-wins-396m-hr-contra...

They even mentioned in the above June article:

> Separately, the cybercrime group ShinyHunters claimed to have exfiltrated student, financial-aid, immigration, health, and administrative records from PeopleSoft instances at more than 100 organizations, predominantly universities. The group stated it had previously targeted an *FBI PeopleSoft server* before pivoting to educational institutions already compromised in earlier campaigns. Oracle has not publicly confirmed the scope or remediation status of these incidents.

So the FBI knew, and had it coming, and if stuff like this happens, THE HEAD needs to roll. And all of his buddies in IT should permanently get to spend their time outside the government at the seafood buffet at Ka$hs favorite gentleman’s club as well.

Fookin Big Idiots.

applfanboysbgon 2 hours ago

Wow, that is bold. I wonder if they'll get away with it because incompetent leadership has decimated the US's capabilities? This certainly doesn't bode well for the US's odds against its nation-state rivals.

giancarlostoro an hour ago

...and this is how the FBI makes you a higher priority target, and you wind up caught.

  • clint an hour ago

    US keeps arresting and charging people from this group for well over 6 years now, and this happens in 2026. They don't sound very scared.

    • woko 30 minutes ago

      The group is not afraid, but the individuals who got charged probably stopped all black-hat activity: there was an individual in his early twenties who "was sentenced to three years in prison and ordered to return $5 million", which is life-changing to say the least.

      • clint 6 minutes ago

        And yet its had no effect. If anything this group has accelerated their activities, as evinced by this FBI hack.

phendrenad2 an hour ago

Imagine the FBI's relief when the hackers only got a list of their employees, not the UFO files.

  • DaSHacka 8 minutes ago

    More like a different set of files...

htrp 2 hours ago

TLDR. A Peoplesoft (Oracle HR) instance was compromised which allowed movement into GovCloud (AWS)

  • ok123456 an hour ago

    PeopleSoft 0-day.

    Just goes to show that the wall of IT bureaucracy does nothing. I'm sure they had an ATO, a several-hundred-page SBOM, compliance audits, etc.

    • 0xbadcafebee an hour ago

      The attackers exfil'd 3TB of data, which obviously included PII, from AWS servers. They should've had DLP, active monitoring, countermeasures, using a security vendor (you can set this up for AWS services using CloudTrail, CloudWatch Logs, etc). You're supposed to have that for sensitive government or military work, and it should have (at least) caught that much traffic going to a rando external IP, blocked and flagged.

      If they did have it set up, then somebody wasn't doing their job. If they didn't have it set up, they didn't comply (which is also not doing their job). I see this all the time. The security analysts send tickets to people when they see major issues and nobody is held accountable for inaction. Management asleep at the wheel (which is also their cover, can't be blamed for what you made sure you never knew about).

    • lenerdenator an hour ago

      It doesn't do nothing. It does make things somewhat harder to attack.

      There was a time, 25-ish years ago, where exploits were thrown about like candy at a parade. The procedures you mention, along with other things, have made zero-days like these more valuable than gold.

  • jimbob45 an hour ago

    I’m skeptical that multiple terabytes of data were exfiltrated quietly. I’m struggling to see this as anything other than a bluff.

    • chrismarlow9 5 minutes ago

      If it was compressed prior to exfiltration it would be much smaller than the original data. I would expect this is mostly human readable text and a fairly high compression ratio. Agree it would still be large but 2 TB at 7:1 ratio drops to 285 GB. I don't know how much these servers are doing with data but I'd suspect sneaking out 10 GB/day over a month or 20GB/day over 2 weeks isn't going to trip up much. The CPU hog for the original compression might, but if you batch out the process in chunks (like a good data engineer), you probably wont trip many thresholds outside of expected use. Just a theory on how I might sneak that much data out of somewhere that has eyes on it, I don't know many details except what's in the article.

    • iAMkenough an hour ago

      I'm less skeptical after seeing it happen to IDScan and terrabytes of government-issued IDs being exfiltrated quietly.

      Still skeptical, but the FBI's vendors are just as vulnerable to 0-days as Hertz's vendors.