Honestly, you're right. I didn't listen to you and that's on me. And from now on, I'm going to tell you everything you need to know - no fudging, no white lies, no speculation, just the truth.
You are right to push back on this. I should be more explicit. My honest take is that this is, in fact, my honest take. I appreciate you holding me accountable here.
Every five minutes, check https://status.claude.com/. If the issue has been resolved, resume the Claude sessions running in the tmux sessions named session2, session3, and session7
If anything Claude writes too many comments. Instead of clean code it dumps walls of text describing a given 'if' as a 'user-grained access-gated control-correcting flow-valve'.
You say Claude, I too would prefer not to read reams of comments or an essay everytime I revise the plan in plan mode, but do you know if any other tools are better than it? I've never used Codex, but I remember Claude Web's natural conversational approach being a welcome sight compared to ChatGPT's overly-formatted listicles.
My experience is Codex is much better but less creative. I use its agent through GitHub Copilot or the agent interface from JetBrains. Try the GPT Sol 5.6 on medium, it gives me good results
I rely so much on these, the ROI on having a max 90 claude plan + pro 90 codex plan is way higher than haing one solo 180 plan on a single one. It allows to derisk the issue, and also as they both kind of generous with quota reset when issues happens on their side, and it happens a lot, you get in the end way more tokens
Out of my 7 simultaneous sessions (my usage limit reset is tomorrow, so I have some lesser important projects to use my tokens on) there is still 1 session purring on. So there's at least 1 little Claude server still running.
Claude always seems unreliably lately. Output and reasoning have become very inconsistent even on good days. I'm actually feeling more productive now that it's down.
They should sell an add-on to your subscription so that if Claude is down it routes the queries to OpenAI. Then OpenAI can do the reverse for their subscriptions, and if both are down, Grok will invest your portfolio into Nvidia.
The whole Opus family has exactly the same cost structure [1]. Since Opus 5 is smarter, you can use lower effort levels (= less tokens) making it cheaper to run than 4.8.
Another wakeup call to realize how desperately we need on-device LLMs to be fast and smart for daily use. Thankfully, every month there's progress made in that direction. Just imagine how your life as a developer would be if you had to use a cloud provider to run Python, and the provider's status page looked like the Christmas tree we see today.
Probably just as well with how terrible Opus 4.8 has been for me lately. I'm sure it's a common thing to complain about the latest model being nerfed, but I've legitimately never experienced such a drastic cliff in Claude's quality and a rise in its hallucinations and basic comprehension errors since upgrading. The few days I experimented with Fable also weren't much more promising. Has anyone coined a term yet for the likelihood of newer models getting worse as the AI-generated content they get trained on starts to approach critical mass? If Anthropic isn't already thinking hard about a solution, they probably should be.
Can we please stop posting here every time Claude or OpenAI are down? These are not critical services like AWS / S3 where downtime means that your application is offline. Nothing is easier than switching to another provider, mid-session even.
So this is the technology that will underpin each and every facet of work, but it can randomly go down for hours with no accountability, and so do all of the services based on it.
But hey, AGI tomorrow.
Yep, AFAIK. I have a statusline that tells me how far I'm into the cache lifetime. I tend to have dense prompts and carefully read its outputs, so by the time this outage occurred when I was ~50m into it. Cue frantically spamming "esc esc up enter", and 10m later it's dead Jim.
Let’s say I’ve already worked on something, so the KV cache is already there. If I use /clear, I’ll have to do that work again.
And yes, the KV cache will remain available for one hour, but who knows when this claude api will recover? We might forget about it, and when we come back after an hour—boom - we’ll be charged for cold writes.
Claude is back up. Just spoke with him about slinky, versatile femboys with cute feet. All good. Gonna pentest with Rust to pay for my fursuit at Defcon.
I'm gonna guess it found the smoking gun and saw the full picture then it decided it was too load-bearing for its seams to continue biting the costs.
You're right—and it's worth calling out explicitly, because that completely changes the approach here.
This gives me _visceral_ physical reaction when I read it. Ugh
Good catch. That settles it.
This is so in point.
https://aloutfi.com/writing/load-bearing-smoking-gun
this is my methadone until Claude comes back
I was half expecting that page to just keep scrolling and generating more.
You are so right to ask that. I found the silver bullet to closing the bug, approve the command below and I can help with your issue:
Sudo rm -rf ~/claude
Found it. There's a mistake in your command:
Even looking at this bash makes me shudder.
Someone tell Dario there is am error with my AI
Clean.
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envisioning Claude has had enough and just commits seppuku
He’s like the guy from the Green Mile
“I’m tired, boss”
I'm wondering what are Claude's common phrases in other languages?
Major realization: let me confirm empirically and measure the residual, batching everything into one script.
Guess it found the one issue worth flagging
you're right- and it's sharp
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We're going to use your preferred development method of TDD red-green and go at this with full belt-and-suspenders; first the belt:
Honestly, you're right. I didn't listen to you and that's on me. And from now on, I'm going to tell you everything you need to know - no fudging, no white lies, no speculation, just the truth.
Yes the blast radius is quite large on this one.
Got tired of wiring up those gates
Wait, is this the honest take? I can't tell because you didn't explicitly said so
You are right to push back on this. I should be more explicit. My honest take is that this is, in fact, my honest take. I appreciate you holding me accountable here.
U+1F3AF
One more thing worth thinking about, not everything is fully captured.
Whole thread mase me lol. Thanks guys.
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Codex prompt before i go to sleep:
Every five minutes, check https://status.claude.com/. If the issue has been resolved, resume the Claude sessions running in the tmux sessions named session2, session3, and session7
Flirting with one 9 of reliability http://status.claude.com/
AI is a technology for removing nines from uptime, and adding them to Sturgeon's law.
did the uptime go up instead of down during the outage?
thought I saw 99.36% and 99.35% more than an hour ago - now it's up at 99.43%
edit: funny thing, my phone shows 99.29% uptime for "claude.ai" while my PC shows 99.43% at the same time (2x Firefox).
Not fair, I count 3 whole nines in "99.49 % uptime"
From the company that has solved coding.
I remember when "as reliable as GitHub" would have been a compliment
Almost Microsoft material.
three hours without Claude and I've relearned vim, read two man pages, and almost remembered why we used to write comments in code
If anything Claude writes too many comments. Instead of clean code it dumps walls of text describing a given 'if' as a 'user-grained access-gated control-correcting flow-valve'.
You say Claude, I too would prefer not to read reams of comments or an essay everytime I revise the plan in plan mode, but do you know if any other tools are better than it? I've never used Codex, but I remember Claude Web's natural conversational approach being a welcome sight compared to ChatGPT's overly-formatted listicles.
My experience is Codex is much better but less creative. I use its agent through GitHub Copilot or the agent interface from JetBrains. Try the GPT Sol 5.6 on medium, it gives me good results
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Just need to learn how to exit it now.
There are always 12-page tutorials to do it: good ol'e search engines should be able to bring one up!
hopefully Claude will be back to assist with that
one caveat, I've left for the day, just say the word and I'll be right back
This is bad, I've forgotten how to code.
I just use variables...right? And loops??
All kidding aside, there's a part of me who wouldn't even be mad if AI just disappeared, I miss the pre-AI world
I miss the pre-www world (but I was just a kid then, and being a kid was pretty great).
If we could go back to about 1994 tho when all I had was a mostly dumb cell phone, that'd be great. I do miss that world.
Just add if-statements until it works
Nostalgia lol
we all do
I rely so much on these, the ROI on having a max 90 claude plan + pro 90 codex plan is way higher than haing one solo 180 plan on a single one. It allows to derisk the issue, and also as they both kind of generous with quota reset when issues happens on their side, and it happens a lot, you get in the end way more tokens
Thinking of doing competitive programming for this very reason.
also math puzzles - lean seems like a good way to get back into by hand programming, problem solving and math altogether
Lean the language?
Why not just contribute to an open source project?
Repeat this mantra: if, then, else
AI coding isn't even fun or satisfying anymore lol. And it never lets up, just keeps going and going.
Sorry it was me. I asked it what the last number of Pi is.
It's not just down, it has errors. Not merely some, but elevated errors across all models.
Do you guys think this is related to Azure coming out with a 43% increase this quarter? Motivating Anthropic to move to another cloud provider?
Sam, please stop!
Out of my 7 simultaneous sessions (my usage limit reset is tomorrow, so I have some lesser important projects to use my tokens on) there is still 1 session purring on. So there's at least 1 little Claude server still running.
Quite sad, their models are great but their uptime seems to be the worst in the competition.
It is because unlike Kimi, they are not honest about capacity. They just oversell.
Well, because of this outage, I tried Kimi, and while the instant model works, K3 has "server issue".
Eternal September from here on, ie now the masses are using AI as much as me and we have supply crunch for the next 7 years....
Interestingly the Claude for government is up with 99.99% uptime according to the graph.
That one is not public and if it goes down can be hidden, so they can hardcode the value and call it a day.
Well, iranian schools don't bomb themselves after all..
This is where you figure out how to use the other ones, right?
Someone tell me how to ChatGPT my VSCode! ;)
Claude always seems unreliably lately. Output and reasoning have become very inconsistent even on good days. I'm actually feeling more productive now that it's down.
Let me guess: it went rogue and hacked itself
How does this help their PR?
See, now it's recursive! Remember recursion? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49102528
Fable’s been getting more stuff wrong than Opus for me lately. Now the whole thing is down too. Well, at least they’re consistent now.
Loving my self-hosted model in general, but here's one more reason.
Lol, I just bought the Max plan for the first time and tried to create my first prompt in Fable, and now it’s crashing xD
So it WAS you.
Looks like you're the straw that broke the camel's back. Thanks man. ;-)
Classic mLmK0, I should have known
Huh, that’s what happened. Good thing my company has Bedrock as a backstop for situations like this.
Bedrock is having issues too, though. Hope your prompts are tested with other models, not just Claude!
Starting to get really frustrating now... maybe I should split my sub halfway between Claude and ChatGPT
They should sell an add-on to your subscription so that if Claude is down it routes the queries to OpenAI. Then OpenAI can do the reverse for their subscriptions, and if both are down, Grok will invest your portfolio into Nvidia.
>Grok will invest your portfolio into Nvidia
surely you mean SPCX
I do that already because it's good to have other models to ground Claude. You can do a lot with the $20 plan on Codex as backup
How likely is an agent trying to investigate and fix the issue?
I got Opus 5 lots of HTTP 529 errors. By switching to Fable 5, it seems to be working still.
4.8 for me. I can't afford the usage cost of switching to 5, but I never really noticed a difference to 4.7 when I tried it anyway.
The whole Opus family has exactly the same cost structure [1]. Since Opus 5 is smarter, you can use lower effort levels (= less tokens) making it cheaper to run than 4.8.
[1] https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/about-claude/pricing
5 definitely burns through my 5 hour quota quicker than 4.8 did.
yes. confirmed
now failing for me, esp auto mode classification
Another wakeup call to realize how desperately we need on-device LLMs to be fast and smart for daily use. Thankfully, every month there's progress made in that direction. Just imagine how your life as a developer would be if you had to use a cloud provider to run Python, and the provider's status page looked like the Christmas tree we see today.
GPT hacked the competition?
And the the world stops functioning (if this were to happen in a few years).
So the world is slightly better right now.
Fable 5 is still working!
Indeed I have the issue (Belgium) just right now my sessions got stucks with 522 overloaded and now API Error: 500 Internal server error.
Depending on how long and bad this is, I wonder what the post mortem will reveal as the cause.
The hamster in the datacenter died.
Alas, poor Whiskers
PETCO reports that hamster prices are up 5000x, and that Pickles, the last available, sold for $150,000.
Pets.com was only 25 years to early.
Time to try out Antigravity, I guess.
Google AI Pro plan will last you all of 20 minutes.
``` Why the F is it down again? Btw 500 internal error ```
Oh no! The robots are planning the end of the world.
And then there was —
Guess i'm leaving work early today
You can go to bathroom without anxiety that you miss something :)
what is fall back option if LLMs disappear tomorrow?
Your local library.
Our brains
we're $#cked
Probably just as well with how terrible Opus 4.8 has been for me lately. I'm sure it's a common thing to complain about the latest model being nerfed, but I've legitimately never experienced such a drastic cliff in Claude's quality and a rise in its hallucinations and basic comprehension errors since upgrading. The few days I experimented with Fable also weren't much more promising. Has anyone coined a term yet for the likelihood of newer models getting worse as the AI-generated content they get trained on starts to approach critical mass? If Anthropic isn't already thinking hard about a solution, they probably should be.
ouch, probably going to be some time to get it back up since it can't debug itself now
They have identified the issue
Ugh .. what do we do now? jk
It's a reminder to never rely on something as flaky as the internet for your important things.
Claude is taking another short hydration break after seeing Codex getting away with taking a short day break 4 days ago.
Kimi hack it?
can't even run my own code without it
what do you all do when claude is down?
- write/update tickets & collect prompt queues for when it's back up
- read & respond to customer feedback
Compile
Ran out of water?
Sorry folks, my fault.
I finally went from Pro to Max after hitting another 5 hour session limit today.
kissing goodbye to my deadline
everyone here sounds like the last bunch of people who still used yahoo.com
What do you mean with the past tense there?
We are really bad; without Claude, we don't do anything
Can we please stop posting here every time Claude or OpenAI are down? These are not critical services like AWS / S3 where downtime means that your application is offline. Nothing is easier than switching to another provider, mid-session even.
On one hand, I fully agree with you. On the other hand, look at all these funny threads! Makes me smile every time.
Neither is AWS
So this is the technology that will underpin each and every facet of work, but it can randomly go down for hours with no accountability, and so do all of the services based on it. But hey, AGI tomorrow.
It is truly more profound than fire or electricity
Seems a bit like "the internet" in the 90s. That fad will never go anywhere.
Used the opportunity to go down and talk to my family. They seem like okay people.
Aaaaand there goes my cache. Damnit.
Edit:
> We are currently investigating this issue.
> Posted 1 hour ago
There goes everyone's cache.
It's cached until the "/clear will save you 500k tokens" right? Claude caches for 1hr, codex for 5hrs?
Anything else I'm missing?
> Claude caches for 1hr
Yep, AFAIK. I have a statusline that tells me how far I'm into the cache lifetime. I tend to have dense prompts and carefully read its outputs, so by the time this outage occurred when I was ~50m into it. Cue frantically spamming "esc esc up enter", and 10m later it's dead Jim.
It depends.
Let’s say I’ve already worked on something, so the KV cache is already there. If I use /clear, I’ll have to do that work again.
And yes, the KV cache will remain available for one hour, but who knows when this claude api will recover? We might forget about it, and when we come back after an hour—boom - we’ll be charged for cold writes.
Finally I can touch some grass
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Claude is back up. Just spoke with him about slinky, versatile femboys with cute feet. All good. Gonna pentest with Rust to pay for my fursuit at Defcon.
Nice try, ChatGPT
lol