Scoundreller 12 hours ago

> When human bodies are scarce, as they often are in rural Australia, machines are created to fill the void.

I think they meant where labour costs are more than their ability to pay

  • Animats an hour ago

    Automation is seen in the more advanced countries, ones which lack an oppressed underclass like the US. There's much more automation on farms. Robotic milking is widely used in Australia, but less popular in the US. [1] New Zealand has the best automated slaughterhouse technology.[2] Those jobs are mostly done by illegal immigrants in the US, and the companies hiring them are screaming about stricter ICE enforcement.[3][4]

    [1] https://dairy-cattle.extension.org/dairy-robotic-milking-sys...

    [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdq1uBCI2Kw

    [3] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2025/06/23/dairy-industr...

    [4] https://tucson.com/news/national/article_fe9b9724-1526-557b-...

  • lpolovets 13 minutes ago

    This is secondhand and not firsthand knowledge, but one thing I've heard from a number of agtech founders (and sometimes farmers when we do diligence calls with them) is that hiring employees is very hard because of seasonality. E.g. you might need 100 workers most of the year, but 400 for a few weeks when it's picking season. And of course if you are in an area known for a single crop, all of the other local farms have the same seasonal labor need.

    For these types of businesses, paying less for labor is a secondary goal and just having enough labor (human or machine) is the primary goal.

  • ViscountPenguin 10 hours ago

    Rural Australia also just has a desirability problem. Rural towns regularly offer significantly above market rate for GPs and teachers, but rarely ever fill the posts.

    • kjkjadksj 9 hours ago

      Sounds like they aren't actually market rate if the labor market is rejecting the prices at those levels.

      • Teever an hour ago

        Or there are some locations where markets just breakdown because the environmental factors overwhelm whatever salaries you offer.

        • collinmcnulty 44 minutes ago

          Offshore oil rigs beg to differ. For almost any set of circumstances, there’s a salary that will entice people to fill the role. They just don’t want to shell out the mid six figure salary that would be required. It’s only a “breakdown” because we collectively feel entitled to have people fill the role but don’t want to actually pay what it costs.

  • PhasmaFelis an hour ago

    Human bodies are scarce because you can't pay most people to live there. They're not mutually exclusive.

  • oblio 11 hours ago

    Agriculture is bottom of the barrel business because no political power worth its weight allows price gouging. Food has to be kept as cheap as possible because otherwise the economy doesn't work. The workaround for this is subsidies, but those don't scale. You can't agriculture your way into Google Ads, the money printing machine.

    • ericyd 10 hours ago

      Could you elaborate on "subsidies don't scale"? In the US, farm subsidies are a huge chunk of our budget and, to the best of my understanding, help keep food prices low. I'm not informed enough to know if it's an inefficient solution though.

      • owie829 9 hours ago

        that is incorrect. 2023 US Payments to agriculture [1] were $10.972 billion. That is 0.04% of GDP or ~0.697% of the federal budget[2] for 2023. It spiked slightly in 2020, but has been a small portion of the budget for a long time.

        [1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/L312041A027NBEA

        [2] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M318191Q027NBEA

        [3] https://imgur.com/a/dwgS0m6

        • ericyd 5 hours ago

          I guess it's a matter of perspective, I know 0.7% isn't the biggest item in the budget but it's a fairly large line item to my mind. Either way I still wonder what the "does not scale" comment meant.

          Edit: re-reading my comment, I regret my word choice, "a huge chunk" is obviously incorrect.

          • vkou 37 minutes ago

            First of all, 11 billion is 0.17% of the federal budget. (Which is ~6 trillion). You were looking at a quarterly budget, not the annual one.

            Secondly, that 0.17% that is spent on food security has dramatically better ROI than the 1.7% of it that is spent on, to pick a random line item... maintaining 5 (of 11) carrier strike groups[1].

            ---

            [1] For contrast, the entire rest of the world put together has exactly 2 carrier strike groups. Somehow, I'd have to prioritize people getting three meals a day over nearly anything else the government could be doing.

      • Onavo 10 hours ago

        The subsidies are combined with cheap indentured semi legal labor from south of the border. Remove either one and the whole system falls apart.

    • alexashka 10 hours ago

      You can't anything your way to miracle profits without destroying society in the process.

      I suppose destroying society for profit is top of the barrel for people like you.

      • JumpCrisscross 9 hours ago

        > You can't anything your way to miracle profits without destroying society in the process

        Wat. You really don’t see any technology that created win-wins?

        • salawat 13 minutes ago

          No such thing as a win-win. Just a lose we haven't come up with a name or explanation for yet.

      • oblio 9 hours ago

        > people like you

        I'm a regular Joe on the internet, with a regular job.

        And regarding agriculture and your comment, that's how people with actual power think.

        Think of almost all major advances we've had, especially in terms of reducing costs. The vast majority of cost savings (and therefore improving quality of life for the average person) can be summarized as:

        * put plastic (and fossil fuel derived materials) in EVERYTHING: if you don't believe this me, go to Amazon (or any supermarket, really) and pick a random product category and see how much the non-plastic version costs, frequently it's much, much more expensive (kudos to stainless steel and aluminum products frequently still holding the flag; but coming with other downsides, obviously)

        * (more relevant to our discussion): industrialize human suffering and/or general environment degradation (push production to countries where labor and environmental/sustainability laws are lax and abuses are rampant): if you don't believe me, go to Amazon (or any supermarket, really) and pick a random product category and try to research their supply chain to see if it's produced ethically and sustainably

        Oh, for bonus points, a huge percentage of the world economy works on BOTH at the same time.

    • EA-3167 10 hours ago

      Would I be correct in assuming that your name comes from 'The Point'? What a classic!

      I also appreciate your point about the reality of agriculture, I think too often people miss just how narrow the margins there are and why farm life has always been so financially unstable. It used to be the weather that could make or break you, and it still is, but not world commodity markets, the price of fuel and fertilizer, and trends in a number of areas can all do it as well. Add in the top-down pressure to keep prices low and bottom-up pressure to target migrants and... what a rough mix.

bryanlarsen 11 hours ago

I dream that AI robotic drones can reduce our dependence on vulnerable monocultures. Rather than a monoculture processed by million dollar combine harvesters using bulk techniques, a polyculture harvested by a swarm of small cheaper drones that work at the individual plant level.

  • bgnn 11 hours ago

    I think this isn't going to hapen. The economy of the scale favors monoculture and it combines well with automation. The most likely outcome will be that combine harvester not requiring a driver and a synchronous operation of multiple harvesters as a robot swarm such that much bigger fields than currently possible could be worked: monoculture at a much bigger scale.

    • bryanlarsen 11 hours ago

      Polyculture has two very significant advantages.

      - Because you're pulling multiple crops off a field instead of one, the value of those crops is significantly higher.

      - The crop is much more resilient. The different crops will have different tolerances to drought, disease, insects, wind and other disasters that commonly affect farming.

      When farmland was cheap you could increase your profits per employee by buying more land and bigger machinery. But these days farmland is expensive and farmers are concentrating more on increasing yields per acre. In my area farmers spend > 10x as much per acre on inputs like fertilizers and pesticides than they used to in the 90's.

      Polyculture will be hard and expensive, but if it lets you double profit per acre, farmers will do it.

      • bgnn 11 hours ago

        I would love that to happen. It will happen if it's economically more competitive.

      • analog31 9 hours ago

        The two crops are corn and soybeans. Everything else is decimal dust. I'm not sure how much sense it makes to mix them within a plot, as opposed to mixing them by crop rotation.

        Also, all of the crops have to be herbicide resistant to coexist with corn and beans.

        Now, for things like veggies, sure.

        • bryanlarsen 9 hours ago

          It makes a lot of sense to mix corns and beans. Corn is usually more profitable than soybeans, but they are rotated for soil health reasons. If you planted both together you wouldn't have to rotate.

          Corn & beans are 2 of the "three sisters", the traditional native American agriculture technique.

          • analog31 9 hours ago

            Will the beans get any sun?

            • bryanlarsen 9 hours ago

              You'd want to grow a shade tolerant bean, like cornfield beans. 80% of soybeans are fed to animals; the pigs won't care what type of bean they get fed.

              • analog31 9 hours ago

                Indeed, the only variable is yield.

    • SoftTalker 10 hours ago

      > combine harvester not requiring a driver

      Already pretty much the case. They may have a driver as a monitor/troubleshooter but for planting and harvesting it's all optimized down to the inch with GPS guidance steering the machinery.

      • KaiserPro 10 hours ago

        So long as someone hasn't nicked the fucking GPS...

        • troupo 10 hours ago

          Don't many of these operate on local boundaries as well, not just GPS? (honest question, I only have a vague recollection of something like this)

          • 0cf8612b2e1e 10 hours ago

            I believe farmers can install local beacons which can supplement/replace GPS.

            • pbmonster 23 minutes ago

              Correct, and doing that has become so trivial today, newer lawnmower robots come with it. I see the base stations everywhere across suburbia.

    • analog31 10 hours ago

      Two of my friends who farm already have self driving planters and harvesters, controlled by GPS, that lay down different kinds of seeds and fertilizers depending on location within their fields. The farmer is there to fix things.

    • JumpCrisscross 9 hours ago

      There is a solid equilibrium in a commercial monoculture and artisanal and subsidised polycultures for insurance. The transition will never be easy. But at least the groundwork is there.

      • bgnn 31 minutes ago

        Isn't monoculture farming heavily subsidized too? Either directly or indirectly.

    • KaiserPro 10 hours ago

      > The economy of the scale favors monoculture

      I mean it does, until it doesn't and you loose all your crops/soil/water.

      Monocultures degrade the soil, and you need to put more and more input in to make sure grow. Because there is no ground cover between crops, wind takes away your soil. If you mess up/mistime your pesticide/herbicide input, you'll loose all your crop. The more you grow, the more the soil turns to sand, requiring more fertiliser input, which mean more costs.

      If you take the yield per m2 of an allotment, and compare it to a really high quality agricultural field (ie Lincolnshire fens, or some prime land in the USA.) the allotment will have a much higher yield with less input. I don't have the figures on hand, but you'll need to turn to the bearded hippies at the henry doubleday to get precise numbers.

      If, through automation, you could have three or four crops in the same field, providing cover all year round. you could then start to keep your soil, because the wind cant get at it (crop dependant). you can grow sacrificial crops for pest control, meaning less pesticide input. This means more worm, which will stop flash flooding (more water permeability without ploughing)

      But all that requires high speed "pick and place" weeding/harvesting machines. Those are going to be complex and expensive until scale kicks in (think how complex tractors were, or threshing machines)

      • atmavatar 9 hours ago

        > you loose all your crops/soil/water

        > you'll loose all your crop

        Is there a way to tighten your crops after they become loose or beforehand so they don't loosen in the first place?

    • cjbgkagh 11 hours ago

      The future we’re already in should be characterized as cheap complexity. As an example, in manufacturing one offs were cost prohibitive, now it’s close enough to mass manufacturing cost that in many cases there is no point taking that extra step. Also people are increasingly concerned with food provenance, I would love to have a local automated greenhouse growing hairloom vegetables.

      • bryanlarsen 10 hours ago

        There aren't any combine models that sell more than a few thousand units per year. Individual parts in the combine benefit greatly from mass manufacturing, but the combines themselves don't really. Small harvester drones on the other hand could have a much larger sales volume, and really take advantage of mass manufacturing.

        • bgnn 33 minutes ago

          This is a very good point, but what about the maintenance of managing multiple small harvesters vs one big one? Latter is riskier if fails but you don't need to deal with a fleet, so easier for the farmer.

  • vjvjvjvjghv 11 hours ago

    I hope it goes that way bit I expect the opposite. They way big ag doesn't show much respect for nature I expect them to go even more into monoculture and using robots to wipe out all insects and plants they don't like.

    • bryanlarsen 11 hours ago

      They'll do it if it's profitable. More output per acre is a pretty big motivation.

      Grad students will work on the problem for the ecological benefits. Then big ag will scoop it up for the profit motive.

conradfr 12 hours ago

> what farmers want: technologies that may not have a lot of bells and whistles, but can reliably take a task off their hands.

I'm sure they are not alone.

  • fouronnes3 11 hours ago

    TIL I am a bugs farmer, not a software engineer.

    • mycall 10 hours ago

      I am a backlog, hear me score.

  • drewcoo 3 hours ago

    >> but can reliably take a task off their hands

    Tasks can reliably take off farmers' hands.

    Every year our state fair has dioramas to demonstrate the risks of mangling, amputation, and death.

    I don't really want to see hallucinating LLMs making this even more dangerous despite how good it may make VCs feel. It's possible for it to not be a closed system but have someone's gain mean someone else's loss. (Arguments over closed vs open system are a sophistic tactic to ruin other people's lives for money.)

zkmon 9 hours ago

In developing countries, farming is left for those who has no opportunity or ability to do any other better work. Often uneducated, poorer, living in remote places without basic facilities.

Result? The farmers are forced to do extensive use of chemicals in farming, low nutrition, high yield GM/hybrid varieties and adulteration of whole foods. The food that comes out is laced with chemicals, poor quality varieties. And the urban consumer pays for their negligence of the farmer.

  • onecommentman 7 hours ago

    In low income economies over 50% of population 10 years and older own a mobile phone.

    https://www.itu.int/itu-d/reports/statistics/2024/11/10/ff24...

    Access to information even for the global poor is almost universal. But like the old joke about the ag extension agent trying to get a farmer to improve his practices with information, “Heck, I don’t farm as well as I know how to today.”

erikerikson 12 hours ago

> Our research team conducted more than 35 interviews with farmers, specifically livestock producers

Not agriculture, cattle

  • throwaway070625 11 hours ago

    And the cattle farmers massively benefit from these things. There are now custom monitors being put on to cattle that constantly measure how much they eat, how much they walk, body temp, etc. If they fall out of expected range the system will call a vet automatically to come treat them as they're obviously sick. This is keeping the cattle healthier and the production numbers high.

    Farmers are also really getting into things like drones for pesticide application as it's faster, more accurate, and has less waste.

    It's happening whether or not people want to believe it, from Texas up to Illinois/Wisconsin and everywhere inbetween.

    hey, if you want to get away from big tech and you're not scared of rural life -- farmers need IT folks. They have racks of Supermicro servers on premises that need maintaining because they can't trust the cloud // internet can be unreliable. They have sensors and repeaters on the field perimeters that need maintenance.

    There's a lot of IT work to be done in rural America with a slower pace of life if you're not afraid of coexisting with country folk. For those of us that grew up there and migrated to the city for corporate IT jobs -- I expect we'll be going back to our roots and serving our communities with these skills instead so we don't have to deal with AI screened jobs and take-home programming tests

    • vjvjvjvjghv 11 hours ago

      The way they are treating cattle as pure machines to optimize production I can only hope synthetic meat will come soon.

    • phil21 10 hours ago

      This is effectively my "dream" job for semi-retirement at the moment. I don't need to make top dollar any longer, but I crave doing something "real" that actually matters and I work for/talk to people who actually make useful things for humanity. I still need a decent income to pay for toys, hobbies, and time off work until I hit retirement age.

      A contracting IT job trekking between a few farms and monitoring them remotely sounds pretty great to me! And right up my alley in terms of skillsets and interests.

    • onecommentman 7 hours ago

      If you’re talking about racks of servers, you’re talking a pretty large farming operation…they’re a bit rare. And those kids of farmers would like to stay in the community with well-paying jobs, and so communities try to raise their IT specialists locally and tend not to outsource even to the local Big City if they can help it. Farmer kids have ag in their blood and can support IT more effectively with that homegrown subject expertise.

  • lostlogin 12 hours ago

    A large industry, but also a much smaller group than ‘live stock producers’.

frainfreeze 11 hours ago

Waiting for the title to change to "The future of farming"

theodric 9 hours ago

I don't need (more) automation on this farm, I need (lots) of help shifting product. I can make a lot more than I'm able to sell!

Scoundreller 12 hours ago

I wonder how long GMO (the in the lab kind) took to get adopted after surely initial resistance.

Will we see AI-free food? Will it become a part of being “organic”?

  • tartoran 12 hours ago

    Something like AI hallucinated produce? Random taste tomatoes anyone? Leaving the joke aside, probably GMO will probably accelerate with the help of AI and will still be called GMO foods.

  • kjkjadksj 9 hours ago

    GMO was already adopted before the resistance even manifested. It was a little bit more crude in the early days. Irradiate a field and select desirable traits among the mutants.

  • akomtu 11 hours ago

    "Human made" will be a sign of quality, like the "organic" label.

SideburnsOfDoom 10 hours ago

Agriculture is one of the few fields where "shit in" is a expected, good thing. A fertiliser on the fields.